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tryinit
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Looking for tips from OTR vets Reply with quote [ flag post ]

Since the manufacturing base has all but disappeared, I need a new line of work.
Going to school, will likely start driving for PAM.
I'm no pup anymore and this will be a whole new world for me.
Hoping for some advice, suggestions or cautions from you guys.
Anything appreciated.
Thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:46 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for tips from OTR vets Reply with quote [ flag post ]

tryinit wrote:
Since the manufacturing base has all but disappeared, I need a new line of work.
Going to school, will likely start driving for PAM.
I'm no pup anymore and this will be a whole new world for me.
Hoping for some advice, suggestions or cautions from you guys.
Anything appreciated.
Thanks


Hi Tryinit, welcome to the board. I'll try to cover a few things here and hopefully some others will add to it. I'm going to assume that you're talking about over the road (OTR) trucking, what some people call "long haul".

First, I don't know what your exposure to the industry has been up to this point but I can tell you that it's probably not going to be like any other job you've ever had. It's also not going to be like movies, T.V. or truck driving songs portray it. It is going to be long hours behind the wheel and sometimes long hours sitting at a customer waiting to get loaded or unloaded. It may also occasionally require sitting in a truck stop, miles from home and waiting for hours or even days to be dispatched on your next load. It's going to be living on the road for weeks at a time.

Learning to drive a "Big Truck" is relatively easy, it's adapting to the life style that most people find difficult if not impossible. I was a trainer for 10 years and have seen hundreds of people come and go and their inability to live the life is why so many only last a few months or at best a year. About 15 years ago I read somewhere that for every 100 students that enter driving school less than 10 are still driving by the end of a year.

When you say you're "no pup" I hope that means that you don't have any small children at home. If you do then I suggest you try to find a local job because kids need more than a part time mom or dad. I also hope if you're married that your spouse is ok with you being gone all the time. OTR truck drivers have an inordinately high divorce rate compared to other occupations.

I don't know a whole lot about P.A.M. but from what I've been able to garner from their web site they haul dry vans and that's a good place for someone to start. You'll have less problems if you don't have to worry about a reefer or tarping & strapping a flat bed load. It also appears they have auto shift transmissions which will make it easier to start but can be a trap if you want to go somewhere else and don't know how to shift.

One thing I can't stress too much, don't I repeat don't let anyone talk you into buying or leasing a truck until you've been driving for at least a couple of years. Many companies will try to pressure you into leasing a truck and will make it sound real lucrative but don't fall for it. You need to get some experience before you make such a big decision.

Well, I've got to get some sleep so I'll leave it up to someone else to add to what I've said. I wish you all the luck in the world and hope you'll let us know how things are working out for you.

Russ
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote [ flag post ]

I wish you all the best in this new career. You are going to need it. You are entering not only a new career but a completely new life.

Trucking has drastically changed over the last 27 years, since deregulation. There are still a few good driving jobs to be found, but very few. Truck driving "was" a good career, but not now. I would never recommend anyone getting into this business now.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote [ flag post ]

I'll second everything Russ said and I get where Dispatcher is coming from.

Trucking school isn't where you learn to be a truck driver- it's where you learn to pass a test. I suggest finding a company that has experienced trainers since they are the ones who will be teaching you what it's really about. I don't know PAMs reputation as far as that goes but I know that Swift and a lot of other companies use brand new drivers as trainers which is more like the blind leading the blind (and if you've seen them backing up or even maneuvering around the truck stops you know thats a good analogy!) than training.

It's not what it used to be, but that is both good and bad. The trucks are way more comfortable. But the quality of people out here seems to be going down hill.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote [ flag post ]

A few questions fer ya:

1) Do you have a Friend base that you could depart from for extended periods of Time?
2) Are you Married or have a Lady/Man Friend(Lover, whatever) that you can leave for extended periods of Time?
3) Do you have a soft heart in that when people ask you for money you'll gladly give it to them??
3b) Do ya like to help people because you feel this is doing them some good??
4) Have you ever worked on a vehicle to effect its maintenance or have you been before, a mechanic or worked in the one of the many Construction Trades??
5) How extensive has your travelling been in other areas of driving??
6) Where would you like to go and where would you not like to go??
7) Have you ever been to NYC or Chicago and observed the Truck traffic in these cities?? If so does it look like fun??
8)How many Truck Drivers have you personally spoken to at Truck Stops and other places??
9) Have you spoken to ANY Drivers other than on-line??

There are quite many more questions that can be asked BEFORE getting into a "school" and subsequently into a Drivers position.

Questions YOU need to ask Companies BEFORE SIGNING ANYTHING:

1) How long is the training process--some companies have a two week minimum, where others are substantially longer.
2) How much do you charge for Training in the unlikely event that I do not complete it or stay for the seemingly required YEAR to effect its elimination??
3) How much am I to make while Training??--most companies have a set amount regardless of mileage covered. Can you live on say $350.00 a week BEFORE TAXES for up to 6+ weeks?? I cannot.
4) What are your running lanes??--A LOT of companies require Drivers to go to the North East especially in the Winter and if one hasn't been there, then one might not enjoy the many negative aspects(to me) of going there: Idling restrictions for one. Can you go to Canada??
5) Do you allow Pets or Family to ride along??--many companies allow neither for safety and/or possible interior damage.
6) How many yards do you have??--A lot of drop yards denotes a lot of freight yet does not indicate a lot of movement. Also in this query ask about where maintenance requirements are performed.
7) What do you pay for shorthaul--less than 300 miles??
Cool Do you cut me for having to Bobtail somewhere??--some companies have two distinctly differing pay rates.
9) Do you pay for Lumpers or do I pay and get re-imbursed(at some distant point)??

and finally 10) What kind of equipment do you use or what Model/Manufacture of Truck shall I be using??ANYTHING(except Trailers) from the 90's, AVOID THIS COMPANY!! If the Tractors are over 6 years old, there have been a few Drivers thru it and it ain't worth the hassle!!

I hope the BEST for ya in yer quest for adventure in a different Field from Manufacturing.


For the REAL TRUCKER adventure, go to a local Truckstop and have a Shower, then enjoy some of the cuisine offered in the (if available) restaurant while bantering with the others.
Stick around for the night crawlers: Hookers, and other scum, plus the bums with all their "stories" of misfortune.
This may just give you the view you need before becoming one of the many of US. EVERY Truck Stop is different except for the chains like T. A., Flying J, Loves, Petro, Pilot, Wilco/Hess.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote [ flag post ]

Excellent post, Blank Smile I have seen a lot of changes in my 17 yrs
out here on the road. You will also miss bithdays, weddings, holidays
anniversaries etc. Don't even get me started on some of the changes Evil or Very Mad

How many of you have noticed a change in your delivery and pickup
times. I have. Seems so lately everybody wants to go home in the
middle of the afternoon 2-3 pm WTF. A lot of the big dealer repair
shops aren't open on weekends and holidays. It's getting near impossible
to get any work done on a weekend. With the exceptions of a TA or Petro

My suggestion to people who think they want to become a trucker
is find somebody you know and see if it's possible to go out with
them for at least 2 weeks. 2 weeks will give you good feel of life
on the road.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote [ flag post ]

sunshine wrote:
It's getting near impossible
to get any work done on a weekend. With the exceptions of a TA or Petro


If you need more done than brakes and tires, you're screwed.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote [ flag post ]

Thank You sunshine and your name aptly fits!!

There are shops (Freightliner) that claim to be open on weekends however finding someone that claims to be a mechanic/technician is a hunt at best, like trying to locate the proverbial needle.
The Trash Americas will ONLY perform those menial tasks that do not involve anything extraneous such as changing the Air Compressor Line from The Air Compressor back to the first receiving Air Tank. These mechanics(term used very lightly) are so dismal in their actions that it makes one wonder why t. a. has shops at all.
They refuse to do this, they refuse to do that, nor will they acquire the part(s) in case the Driver wants to do the repair. Therefore they are only a "selective" repair facility for Freightliner unlike what they claim.
Petro has always been amazingly superior to Trash America in everything including Showers, yet within the last year they have become uncomfortably similar. Maybe this is why trash america wanted them.
Flying Jism ain't any picnic either.

In addition to what swissy pointed out:
If one needs a tire fixed, this event can still take up to or exceed 4 hours depending entirely upon when one arrives and in what laughable mental status these mechanics are in.
Just a mere Filter(s) and Oil change can leave one hanging for quite some time because of the ineptness involved.
For fun, go to ANY t. a. that has a shop and merely observe these geniuses in action. Talk to the Drivers waiting to discover just how long they've been there BEFORE some mental midget of a mechanic even started on their respective vehicle.
It's simply amazing to me when anything simple doesn't take more than 2 hours from initialization to finalization.

I have nothing bad to say about t.a., one merely has to read thru what I write.
I'll probably be at some t.a. before the end of this month.
Oh well, that's Trucking!!
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